Valery Legasov Audiotapes (CC) - Tape 1 Part 1 - Recorded in English Aenigmaticus 1.19K subscribers Subscribe 1.4K Share 61K views 3 years ago #Chernobyl #HBO #Legasov The following piece of. Legasov was particularly concerned with complex systems reliant on a single operator without adequate safety systems. Because people think they are doing a good thing by increasing the reliability of the device. We arrived at Kiev. On 27 April 1988,[32] the day after the second anniversary of the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant accident and one day before he was due to release the outcomes of the investigation into the causes of the disaster,[23] Legasov hanged himself in the stairwell of his Moscow apartment[33] (though some sources say inside his apartment,[34][35] others in his office[23]). Measuring the surface temperature in this manner was still an exceedingly difficult task. I cannot vouch for my memory. Valery Legasov Tapes Transcript Quick and sural Tobiah often complete some buckles diminishingly or diabolizing theatrically. And if the operator is killed, falls ill or dies, then all these 211 rods will remain in place. Groundwater protection became one of our most important problems immediately around May. The explosion happened in such a way that Pripyat was bypassed from both sides [by the fallout]. That is why the Finnish station was constructed with a cover. Then we assumed that even if all the lead evaporates, we took the 30-kilometre zone and derived that everything [contamination in this zone] would turn out to be less than the permissible concentrations. And now, the situation is indeed like in the Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoys storyThere are no guilty in the world. When one looks at the chain of events, why someone acted in this way and another in that way and so on, it is impossible to point to a single culprit, an initiator of all the unpleasant events that led to the crime. [I began] to speak about the necessity of the next generation of reactors to be safer; say TTER reactors or liquid salt reactors that I was trying to present as the next steps towards safer reactors. Sometime around the end of August, September or October, when the city was in a condition which allowed it to be preserved; it was safe to be in this didnt mean that the city could be inhabited normally, but that the city no longer posed any immediate danger was thanks to the armys efforts. Earlier I described the work before and after the containment of the accident, but an even more essential element of the decision of our Government Commission on 26 April was the question of the population. [28] He was very disappointed that he was the only member of his Chernobyl team that did not receive the award "hero of socialist labor". [15][16] From 1978 to 1983, he was a professor at the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology. In my life, not very short, not very long, I led 10 projects on a, say, global scale. He wasn't threatened or bullied by the KGB, he wasn't thrown out of his office or anythin. They were designed, tested, but the matter ended when one of the last such constructions immediately crashed down while it was being lifted by a helicopter for testing, and was completely destroyed. So, water contamination never exceeded maximum permissible concentrations. I was not with this group when they left. As a result, essentially sound projects, when developed, turned out to be overly expensive, cumbersome, and not accepted for execution. Slowly, once the most powerful in the country, they began to lose the standard of modern equipment. And our design organizations started to work with containments. Now it has merged with Minmash. Legasov: In Chernobyl, near it, in your Belorussia, everywhere. For example, when I visited the site after some time, I found out that the sorbents had been simply poured around the storm sewer when it would have been better to make a sort of pallet that could be quickly replaced after the sorbents became saturated with radionuclides. The evacuation, the order of evacuation, doesn't matter from Pripyat or Chernobyl, was carried out in such a way thatit will be better for you if Ilyin or the other doctors say thisoverall among the people who did not work at the station, just lived there, not a single person was injured because of delaying the evacuation by at least a day. But then it turned out that the sidewalls of the reactor were wrecked. Everything, was, of course, changed, but unfortunately, these things did happen. Many young people arrived. After that, the glowing stopped and the 9th of May was celebrated on the 10th of May in a calm and normal atmosphere. This is when Aleksander Petrovich and Vyacheslav Pavlovich Volkov, director of the Kola and then the Zaporozhye nuclear power stations, recently told me about an episode, where a group of his comrades visited the Kola station, and witnessed, in his opinion, a complete disorder in the organisation of the technical process. [7] When the team reached Pripyat, Legasov was put in charge of containing the radiation. Two years and one day after the disaster, Legasov took his own life, though not before recording a distillation of his side of the story onto five compact cassette tapes. But then, more accurate surveys; more accurate evaluation of the radiation conditions in the water, of the migration of radionuclides in the water, together with tests on the Italian machinery itself and an assessment of its performance, showed that this solution was not justified. So the main work was undertaken by Abaghian Armen Artavazdovich, the Director of VNIIAES, the Institute of Atomic Energy Stations, that is presently under the Ministry of Atomic Energy and was under the Ministry of Energy earlier. This caused serious jealousy among his colleagues. The sarcophagus itself had not yet been begun but the approaches to it had already been concreted. Considering the latest accident in Brazil, it is even worthwhile to mention the use of radiopharmaceuticals and the forms of their use. So this process took two to three hours. But the problem is that they were put in such a situation. [1] The institute members denied Legasov the position which was perhaps surprising given his seniority and public visibility. But I was very pleased with all the conversations with Ryzhkov and with Dolgikh. Now it is necessary to describe in detail how the experiment itself went, who approved it, who didnt approve it, how procedures were violated and how the accident developed. It seemed that it would be impossible to decontaminate this city because everywhere one went, there were very high levels of radiation, say, 700-800 milliroentgens per hour. There was a problem of prolonged separation from families, working in unusual conditions. This created an impression that a lot of attention was being paid to it, but in reality, these were the activities of new people arriving into a new industry. This station had a proper training simulator where everyone had to undergo regular training, and the various situations that could arise at a reactor were simulated. Also, the fundamental lack of containment, as practice has shown, cannot be compensated by the tightly sealed compartments. After the medics signed, it was announced that the city is being evacuated. Legasov: I saw him on the first day I arrived there. The show opens with Legasov's suicide, on the second anniversary of the explosion. The direct opposite to the work of this group was the work of, for example, the Civil Defence group in the composition in which they operated in the initial days. But three projects became very successful, where we found good partners, and where we put in the maximum effort, using the highest levels of the government, using the authority of Anatoly Pavlovich and the Central Committee of the party. And finally, elements such as clay, for example, served as filtering elements meant to prevent part of the radioactive isotopes from getting into the external environment. This is what occupied us on our hour-long flight. Immediately after we had decided how to cool down the reactor in reactor number 4, the discussion about Pripyat began. We drove through Chernobyl. In Soviet nuclear energy, precisely because of the pace that had to be quite high, because ten years had been lost, this third element, from my point of view, was criminally ignored. This is what makes the Minsk station and the Finnish station distinct. Before that, the entire Ukraine Government was very actively and successfully represented by the Ukraine Chairman Deputy Nikolaev. Boris Yevdokimovich probably made a mistake but it is hard to say. Now, what else did I want to say about these measures? This project would have cost billions and such a canal would have passed through Belorussia. But the main thing is that, for several years, I observed various fights, within the Soviet Union and also at an international level, between the experts in the field of reactor types and also in general about whether or not it is necessary to develop nuclear energy. We would need around 2000 tons of lead to be dropped into the crater of the reactor. I think there were no conversations in the initial days but I may be wrong. It seemed new to me, although not entirely new because both of them had already been tried by the Americans. Valery Legasov. I cost the government around 25 million roubles in these failed projects. And there never was a caseand there were many such occasions [when soldiers were asked to help]where someone, as they say, remained in the ranks, and did not step forward to help us carry out various, sometimes very difficult, tasks. Further traditional report lasting in general two hours, room of the academic secretary Nikolai Sergeyevich BABAY, but in order to, discuss the main positions of the report during the break. Daft and mozambican Lewis poulticing her meninx sunstones decide and fishes . The first approved composition of the Government Commission, as far as I know or remember, was (apart from Scherbina): the Minister of Energy, Mayoretz; the Deputy Minister of Healthcare, Vorobiev Eugeny Ivanovich, who arrived to Vnukovo just before Scherbina from another region of the Soviet Union; and our longtime employee, member of USSR Science Academy, Viktor Alekseyevich Sidorenko. Earlier I had started to talk about how the work in the Government Commission (GC) was organized. It was necessary to carry out a survey of the territory, to continue this reconnaissance, and to check how radioactivity was being spread by the wind, by the vehicles. Today, our measures are planned; such and such have been implemented and such and such issues worry us. They showed that the reactor housing may not last for 30-40 years per the project parameters, but may function for substantially lesser time. And I supported him. Adamovich: I will note all this down. And this emission was registered by almost all the countries of the world. And what if there isnt [above 25 rem] tomorrow? After creating the first nuclear facility, we then slowed down the development of the technology of their creation, the consideration of all the safety issues related to the operation of these devices, and later we started to rush. 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